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  The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

  by booker-t in

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  i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

  i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

  she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

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  defender of truth

  Bandontherun said:"Constantly making fun of people who did not agree with you for a host of reasons is a sick mind."
  and also:
  "There is no need to anger people. All you do is hurt yourself."
  
  .. Well put, I could not agree with you more. Please point to any post of mine where I make fun of or insult anyone.
  
  Talking about making fun of people who disagree with you..
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  race androsposteda day ago(6/30/2014)
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  "stfu either way fools."
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  ablebodiedmanposteda day ago(6/29/2014)
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  " 'I do not know how men come to the idea there is no "evidence" of intelligent design and purpose in this universe...'
  
  Me neither.
  The amount of evidence is overwhelming!
  It can only be denied through ignorance or ridicule. "
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  Maranathaposted~ 10 hours ago(6/30/2014)
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  "silly questions about animals killing each other"
  "let's ask dumb questions about God 'letting it happen', shall we?"
  "Just asking stupid questions like you all are."
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  The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

  i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

  she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

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  defender of truth

  "And saying that they and the people of Sodom and Gomorrah knew no better is a sorry excuse. God instituted marriage between one man and one woman in the Garden of Eden. Yet the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were sexually perverse, both young and old, rich and poor. You see how America is getting with it's homosexual agenda? Yeah, it was like that, only much worse."
  
  .. So practicing homosexuality is an immoral act deserving of death today, would you say?
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  The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

  i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

  she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

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  defender of truth

  " Does not evolution teach survival of the fittest? So, it's ok for the strong animals to kill the weak in evolution but let's ask dumb questions about God "letting it happen", shall we? "
  
  It is 'ok' for animals to kill the weak because they have no conscience or morals, they rely on instinct to survive.
  That is nature, we are stuck with it.
  
  Why your idea of God designed animals to inflict incredible pain on each other, get cancer and be tormented and tortured by many disease and parasites, which are creatively varied I must admit, is another topic really..
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/222352/21/Theists-why-does-God-allow-suffering#5044183
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  The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

  i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

  she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

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  defender of truth

  "God does care about animals."
  
  Could he not have wiped out wicked mankind by sending angels or struck the people dead instantly, instead of drowning countless animals? If so, and if he does care for animals, why so many needless deaths by his hand?
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  The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

  i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

  she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

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  "Just wanted to let the JW's know that there is a one True God and His name is Jehovah"
  .. Have you gained this knowledge from the Bible? Do you think that every part of it is inspired?
  Also, why did Jehovah let his name be edited out of the Bible?
  Answering all three would be nice, but I'd like to hear what you feel about any of them. Thanks.
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  The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

  i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

  she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

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  defender of truth

  Sorry if the above post made little or no sense, I won't ramble again..
  @Booker-t, have you had chance toread any of this thread at all?
  Don't worry, take your time, I'm just concerned something has scared you off.
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  Theists, why does God allow suffering..

  by The Quiet One in

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  ..specifically, the suffering of animals.

  you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

  i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

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  Thanks for that Phizzy.
  It just begs the question, how someone can believe in a God that cares and yet leaves his creatures in such a cold and pitiless universe, with no evidence of 'you are worth more than many sparrows'. In fact, as your quote highlights, there are probably sparrows getting their guts ripped out by a hawk somewhere, just while I type this post! And who 'designed' the hawk??
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  The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

  i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

  she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

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  defender of truth

  "I am happy, unless something really tragic happens in my immediate world...I mean We live in a world but do we really care about those living and suffering today?"
  
  Thanks for being open and honest about how you feel.
  I wonder if it is this lack of sensitivity , or shutting ourselves off to the pain that others go through, that is a key factor for many in maintaining the belief in a Biblical God that also must, logically, not be strongly moved by the pain and death that he sees. Or else he would have to act, as nobody would stop him, he is not bound by any constraints.
  
  Yet many others are torn apart inside when they see people on the news that have lost their homes or children in a disaster that a God could have prevented. Or they are moved to act when they hear reports of animal abuses.
  The God of the Bible does not put the health and happiness of all living beings above anything else, that much is for certain. So believers in that God have to categorise at least some of the suffering they see as unimportant, or of less importance than God's will.
  Belief in the Bible's stories as literal is insidiously desensitizing, in my view.
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  I am Back on JWN and out of hospital

  by KateWild in

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  hey everyone,.

  thanks qcf and nugget for starting threads.

  thanks cofty for wondering where i was.

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  defender of truth

  I'm glad to hear that you are okay Sam (are you allright with strangers calling you that, by the way?). Although I don't know you, anyone who can cope with the immense effort required to get through a meeting without running out, for the sake of family, is an inspiration and a hero to me.
  I hope for your sake that the meetings do not contain any material/answers directed at you, although my experience of miserable interfering gossipers indicates they may do..
  I can only think of two things to give you to try and help you.
  
  1) When people make you angry and are judgemental and insensitive, try to remember:
  Psalm 103:15-16
  English Standard Version (ESV)
  "15 As for man, his days are like grass;
  he flourishes like a flower of the field;
  16 for the wind passes over it, and it is gone,
  and its place knows it no more."
  I don't believe anymore, but I like that verse.
  In other words, their judgements and their insensitive thoughts will one day be as nonexistent as them. And so will you, life is short.
  Don't let the things that another blade of grass has to say ruin your day. Their views are not as important as they think.
  
  2) If you get bored..
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/210567/1/Jehovahs-witness-meetings-are-NOT-BORING#.U7F2C12t-o8
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  The problems Bible believers have with Atheists is the burden of proof is on the Believer and we just do not have enough proof.

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently posted a post telling this board my athesit coworker stumped me with questions about the validity of the ark story and i just cannot stop talking to her.

  i love hearing her side and point of view which in the past i would have dismissed as "satanic" thinking.

  she has some very good questions and i am having a hard time answering them.

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  defender of truth

  Booker-t: If you get chance to, and seeing as the Flood is a topic of interest to you, please feel free to have a look at this thread sometime..
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/222593/1/Did-the-Global-Flood-of-the-Bible-really-happen-Please-give-evidence#.U7Fz9F2t-o8